Yogic, or Contemplative science of interior domains disclosed by direct experiencial evidence (at the apex of one's eternal self- Soul's evolution) is a deep topic because it is a study grounded in multidimensional evolution into wholeness and transcendence. Genuine Mysticism 'deals' with the direct apprehension of the Tranascendent source of all Life. . .
The gates of eternal Freedom are encountered in the depths of our being - this is why any mental/conceptual-level assertion of the nature of Reality without empirical proof/evidence of how one got there is only that, an assertion. It is nothing more than a translation of what someone else said.
We know that the deconstructed human body is an atomic structure, a field of energy infused with consciousness that is connected with all energies / consciousness - including Pure Consciousness + Divine Bliss / Bhavadgita's supreme ecstasy (at the apex-point of one's evolution).
Unification of the individual Soul with the (universal) Supreme Beloved results in permanent Samadhi. Such a thing is possible because the relative / absolute is holographicly entangled.
At this stage-point one is qualified to say:
In service to the Divine I bear witness to the fact we are expressions of the same One.
Our pointing out instruction to one who is ready to submit to the Supreme Divine and become humanity's servant in visible and invisible dimensions, is this:
Surrender to Soul's Desire, follow its lead.
Allow its devouring fire burn to ashes karmic imprints.
We promise. . . .
When the desire soul's transformation is complete, and
Desire has become not the object of knowing,
But a way of knowing, the Luminous Inner Dweller
Will move freely within Love's Essence.
At this stage, humanity's servant doesn't just bask in Beloved's bliss, we work hard because our Universal body is connected (literally) to all beings in the visible and invisible domains.
Such a feat is possible because of 'entanglement'. In entanglement it is the sound-wave reproduction of the object's (non biological) Soul/Essence - not the actual transport/teleportation of one's matter body - that gets attached/linked to the Original Subject (Supreme Divine). It's a resonance thing.
In his brilliant book published in 2002 (I got it couple of weeks after it got published) titled Entanglement the Greatest Mystery in Physics, Amir D. Aczel writes:
Entanglement itself was thought to be within the realm of the imagination until science proved that it is a real phenomenon, despite its bizarre nature.
We know from de Broglie's work that particles have a wave-aspect to them, and that the wavelength associated with a particle can be computed. Thus, in principle, even a person can have an associated wave-function. + Two particles are mysteriously linked together. What happens to one of them immediately causes a change in the other one, whether it is two millimeters away or on the other side of the universe.
Many argue no one has ever penetrated the mystery of Reality. Others think one can become enlightened by looking at and mentally comprehending model of Reality. Scientific materialist insists 'rational' minds are more evolved, and someone like me must submit to their flatland explanations (I included Ken Wilber's quote explaining 'flatland' in one of my recent post), etc.
I say, I'm okay with that - everyone has the right to their opinions as long as they don't insist theirs is the last word.
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The Tibetan Book of the Dead - Liberation Through Understanding In the Between, is an excellent source-example of what one might call Contemplative Science. I have a copy translated by Robert A.F. Thurman (with his commentary), and today decided to quote couple of excerpts on 'Soul'. This version-perspective also makes sense to me. Hope it will resonate with you, too.
From Glossary on 'soul' & 'spiritual gene':
Soul. That which is the deepest personal essence of a living being, which journey's from life to life and takes rebirth, and which becomes enlightened finally.
(* I use terms such as: 'Union of the eternal self-Soul with the Essence of the Supreme Being, or 'Ultimate Consummation / Shiva-Shakti's Erotic Embrace within one's interiority in place of 'enlightenment'. . .'Supreme Enlightenment' is an experience & it is not the same thing as Self-realization.)
The Buddha's famous teaching of selflessness has often been translated in the past as "soullessness," and was used to confirm the Western sense that Buddhism is nihilistic and atheistic. The Buddha rejected any absolute, unchanging, fixed, intrinsically substantial, intrinsically identifiable soul, just as he rejected the same kind of self or ego. But relative, changing, relational, living, conventional entities that can usefully be termed ego, self, and soul are never prohibited in Buddhist psychology. In the Natural Liberation in particular, the extremely subtle body-mind very much qualifies as the soul of the being who is undergoing death, the between, and liberation or rebirth.
Spiritual gene. Sanskrit gotra refers to the subtle encodement within the life-continuum of an individual of the instinctual residue of her past lives' evolutionary experiences and actions, which is carried as a subtle "drop" into the next life, wherein it interacts with the physical genes from father and mother to determine the character of the being in that life. The Tibetan Buddhist vision is of conception is rather beautiful, a moment where the father's white drop meets the mother's red drop, and the individual's blue drop enters within their union.
This superb excerpt on 'extremely subtle body-mind' is from page 40
The Tibetan view is that everyone has such a subtle mind, and everyone traverses these experiences. But it takes special training to develop awareness of them, to experience them lucidly.
Finally, there is the extremely subtle body-mind, where the body-mind duality itself is abandoned. This is the indestructible drop, called "the energy-mind indivisible of clear light transparency."
Very hard to describe or understand, and not to be misconstrued as a rigid, fixed identity, this subtlest, most essential state of an individual being is beyond body-mind duality; it consists of the finest, most sensitive, alive, and intelligent energy in the universe. It is a being's deepest state of pure soul, where the being is intelligent light, alive and singular, continuous yet changing, aware of its infinite interconnection with everything.
It is beyond all instinct patterns of lust, aggression,, or delusion, beyond all duality, one with reality, and one with the Truth Body of all Buddhas. (skip)
Each living being is really just this indestructible drop at the extremely subtle level. This is the living soul of every being. It is what makes the boundless process of incarnation possible. It is the gateway into liberation, always open, essentially free, though the being evolved around it may identify itself with intensely turbulent states of suffering. It is peaceful, translucent, trouble-free, and uncreated. Knowing it is what made the Buddha smile. It is what makes Buddhas and living beings the same.
This extremely subtle indestructible drop is very similar to the Hindu notion of the Self (atman) or Supreme Self (paramatman), which is reached as the absolute negation of all petty, individual, personality self.
This posts' sister blog titled: Soul Science Musings unpacks more. . .if interested
Saturday, September 23, 2017
Wednesday, September 20, 2017
Apollo Complex Decoded
Author of the 'Apollo Complex', is author of many books on human development and consciousness, Ken Wilber - this excerpt is from The Atman Project, chapter 8, p.77.
My mind was, as the Buddhists say, that of a monkey: compulsively active, obsessively motive. And there I came face to face with my own Apollo complex, the difficulty in transforming from the mental sphere to the subtle sphere (or the soul as the Christian mystics use the term) is the beginning of the transpersonal realms; as such, it is supramental, transegoic, and transverbal.
But in order to reach that sphere, one must (as in all transformation) "die" to the lower capacity (in this case mental egoic).
The failure to do so or incapacity to do so is the Apollo complex. As person with Oedipus compllex remains unconsciously attached to the body and its pleasure principle, so the person with an Apollo complex remains unconsciously attached to the mind and its reality principle. ("Reality" here means "institutional, rational, verbal reality"), which, although conventionally real enough, is nevertheless only an intermediate stage on the path to Atman; that is it is merely a description of actual Reality itself, and thus, if clung to, eventually and ultimately prevents the discovery of that actual Reality. (skip)
... as it was, I was fortunate to make some progress, to be able to eventually to rise above the fluctuations of mental contractions and discover, however initially, a real incomparably more profound, more real, more saturated with being, more open to clarity. This realm was simply that of the subtle, which is disclosed, so to speak, after weathering the Apollo complex. (...)
From the subtle, one no longer 'gets lost in thoughts'; rather, thoughts enter consciousness with smoothness, grace, and clarity.
To read more www.kheper.net/topics/Wilber/psychic.html
If curious:
For in-depth teaching on 'evolving soul', take a look at how Aurobindo describes it. . . .
Will add that, I completely agree with his description of what the eternal self-Soul is, and is not. (Psychic being and authentic Soul in Sri A teaching means the same thing).
The following assertion is true to one who 'sacrificed' its lower nature to the Divine:
The supramental change can take place only if the psychic (*Soul) is awake and is made the chief support of the descending supramental power.
http://intyoga.online.fr/ppb5.htm
My mind was, as the Buddhists say, that of a monkey: compulsively active, obsessively motive. And there I came face to face with my own Apollo complex, the difficulty in transforming from the mental sphere to the subtle sphere (or the soul as the Christian mystics use the term) is the beginning of the transpersonal realms; as such, it is supramental, transegoic, and transverbal.
But in order to reach that sphere, one must (as in all transformation) "die" to the lower capacity (in this case mental egoic).
The failure to do so or incapacity to do so is the Apollo complex. As person with Oedipus compllex remains unconsciously attached to the body and its pleasure principle, so the person with an Apollo complex remains unconsciously attached to the mind and its reality principle. ("Reality" here means "institutional, rational, verbal reality"), which, although conventionally real enough, is nevertheless only an intermediate stage on the path to Atman; that is it is merely a description of actual Reality itself, and thus, if clung to, eventually and ultimately prevents the discovery of that actual Reality. (skip)
... as it was, I was fortunate to make some progress, to be able to eventually to rise above the fluctuations of mental contractions and discover, however initially, a real incomparably more profound, more real, more saturated with being, more open to clarity. This realm was simply that of the subtle, which is disclosed, so to speak, after weathering the Apollo complex. (...)
From the subtle, one no longer 'gets lost in thoughts'; rather, thoughts enter consciousness with smoothness, grace, and clarity.
To read more www.kheper.net/topics/Wilber/psychic.html
If curious:
For in-depth teaching on 'evolving soul', take a look at how Aurobindo describes it. . . .
Will add that, I completely agree with his description of what the eternal self-Soul is, and is not. (Psychic being and authentic Soul in Sri A teaching means the same thing).
The following assertion is true to one who 'sacrificed' its lower nature to the Divine:
The supramental change can take place only if the psychic (*Soul) is awake and is made the chief support of the descending supramental power.
http://intyoga.online.fr/ppb5.htm
Friday, September 15, 2017
Moral Obligation - Divine Command
Out of countless tears
She fashined a Mighty Sword In the stillness beyond the internal dialogue
Sword of Justice compels me to report that
which the Divine Logos disclosed
Divine self-disclosure is self-validating. This type of Knowing comes on line *developmentally speaking* when one's eternal self-Soul gets plugged to (the) "I am the Field and the Knower of the Field" - as reported by the Bhavad Gita seer.
One who is not delusional, seeks individuals who write from the bhava Samadhi state/stage - in order to check/verify our contemplative conclusions with. . .
Even though Gopi Krishna's eternal self Soul has not reached its apex-point of evolution, I greately value (and quote) what he had to say with regard to mystical illuminations.
In his book titled The Real Nature of Mystical Experience, he said the following with regard to his level of Realization:
"I do not claim to be illuminated in the sense we ascribe illumination to Buddha, as I still find myself at the human level. (skip) I do not claim to be a mystic or a saint, as I am still very much entrenched in the world and have not completely risen above it".
I have been accused of 'spiritual inflation' and other silly things - not only by the scientific materialist, but by those who think they are 'enlightened'- because the subtlety of meaning contained within the written word is completely invisible to the surface mind.
Sri Aurobindo and other ascended Souls wrote extensively about their mystical experiences without apologies. Nobel prize winners in all fields publish their work without fear of being accused of 'flaunting' their brillaince. . . I feel divine Bliss and its Influence in every fiber of my being 24/7, and see with eyes open & spiritualised consciousness divine Light in the form of golden aura-field, plus a narrow ribbon of blue light next to my skin--which Sri Aurobindo said was (blue) "Krishna light" (discovered by 'fluke' in 1994-and still have that journal note), and am supposed to be ashamed of the fact I am bearing witness to something which the Divine Grace 'plugged' me into? The world's materialists must not be disturbed by the fact that God/Goddess/Spirit reality is as real as the keyboard I'm writing on? I'm supposed hide the fact that Soul Liberation is a real (at the zenith-point of Her journey through Light and Sound). Soul-literate scientists don't look to the spiritually blind for approval-verification of our contemplative conclusions. How in the world the scinetific materialist supposed know what Samadhi is/means< and what theTRUE nature of the Ineffable is/means. They can't see it this is why they tell me things like: "stop pretending you have knowledge of the inner realms" (direct quote). They think that my description of what I-Soul first time witnessed in May 2010, and described in The River of Light, is sheer lunacy http://www.spiritspeaks-theofilia.blogspot.ca/2010/05/river-of-light.html">www.spiritspeaks-theofilia.blogspot.ca/2010/05/river-of-light.html This is why I am all the more grateful to Gopi Krishna, for saying in Kundalini for the New Age:
All the great mystics who have written on the subject have given their own symptoms openly and plainly. That is the tradition. And from their descriptions, one can compare one's own condition.
What I share is not for personal gain. What I share is not the result of drug-induced hallucinations (from ingesting plant brews and other drugs) - which in some circles are hailed to be the real deal, the real 'expansion of consciousness', thing. I see grasping mind's wishful thinking - they don't, and I'm okay with that, as long as they don't claim theirs is the last word.
The last word belongs to those who know better. Gopi Krishna elaborated (and I agree)
The real meaning of "Soma" refers to the internal processes of sublimation leading to higher consciousness or Samadhi. Since soma is a Sanskrit term its interpretation should be based upon the ancient Vedic religious belief, NOT Western assumption of drug use.
There is no proof in the Vedas that actually mention any human drinking a herbal concoction; it was the Gods Indra and Agni who drank streams of this nectar and then conquered the Dragon or Serpent Vrtra (a symbol of Kundalini).
The hymns of the Vedas are symbolic allegories and shouldn't be interpreted literally, as the Vedas say directly that: "One thinks he has drunk Soma when they press the plant but the Soma the Brahmans know - no one eats that.
I shake my head at (my) lamely written posts, but also can't help but marvel at the intensity of the Evolutionary Impulse compelling me to do this.
Those of us who feel in every fiber of our being this impulse, acknowledge we are guided to become witness to the fact that at the deepest core of our being there is a oneness which drives and guides this universe towards ever-greater emergence. . .for the benefit (transformation) of all beings, for the evolution of consciousness itself in service to the Divine. Some call this force Eros, other's God's Love, etc.
I have a moral obligation to report on things that are not now, never will be acceptable to folks who refuse to acknowledge that (authentic) spiritual sciences is a legitimate profession. I didn't chose to be 'spiritual', the (transcendent) One who is awake within my mortal coil, did.
The following excerpt from Gopi Krishna's book titled, The Man of the Future, explains what types of personality traits define genuine prophet/mystic/saint/accomplished yogi/seer/sage.
We are, therefore, face to face with a mighty problem when we try to find an explanation for the mental condition of religious teachers of the highest order. We have to account for the existence of not one but four outstanding attributes of the front rank mystic minds. They are Ecstasy, Moral Elevation, Psychic Powers and Genius. This remarkable combination is confined to this class and this class alone. Otherwise we find these attributes distributed singly and in too few cases.
The combination of even two out of them in one individual is extremely rare. The man of genius may not have moral elevation, ecstatic vision or psychic gifts, a medium may not have moral stature, vision or genius, and one prone to visionary states may not have the moral armor, psychic powers or the true genius of the true mystic.
In judging the prophet, the mystic and the real saint we have to take the startling fact into consideration that he (she) is in possession of all four rare and lofty attributes, each of which, even when singly present, confer distinction on one possessing it. There is no difference except one of degree between a genuine prophet, mystic, accomplished yogi, seer and sage, and whoever out of them emerged with all these four gems glittering in his crown.
She fashined a Mighty Sword In the stillness beyond the internal dialogue
Sword of Justice compels me to report that
which the Divine Logos disclosed
Divine self-disclosure is self-validating. This type of Knowing comes on line *developmentally speaking* when one's eternal self-Soul gets plugged to (the) "I am the Field and the Knower of the Field" - as reported by the Bhavad Gita seer.
One who is not delusional, seeks individuals who write from the bhava Samadhi state/stage - in order to check/verify our contemplative conclusions with. . .
Even though Gopi Krishna's eternal self Soul has not reached its apex-point of evolution, I greately value (and quote) what he had to say with regard to mystical illuminations.
In his book titled The Real Nature of Mystical Experience, he said the following with regard to his level of Realization:
"I do not claim to be illuminated in the sense we ascribe illumination to Buddha, as I still find myself at the human level. (skip) I do not claim to be a mystic or a saint, as I am still very much entrenched in the world and have not completely risen above it".
I have been accused of 'spiritual inflation' and other silly things - not only by the scientific materialist, but by those who think they are 'enlightened'- because the subtlety of meaning contained within the written word is completely invisible to the surface mind.
Sri Aurobindo and other ascended Souls wrote extensively about their mystical experiences without apologies. Nobel prize winners in all fields publish their work without fear of being accused of 'flaunting' their brillaince. . . I feel divine Bliss and its Influence in every fiber of my being 24/7, and see with eyes open & spiritualised consciousness divine Light in the form of golden aura-field, plus a narrow ribbon of blue light next to my skin--which Sri Aurobindo said was (blue) "Krishna light" (discovered by 'fluke' in 1994-and still have that journal note), and am supposed to be ashamed of the fact I am bearing witness to something which the Divine Grace 'plugged' me into? The world's materialists must not be disturbed by the fact that God/Goddess/Spirit reality is as real as the keyboard I'm writing on? I'm supposed hide the fact that Soul Liberation is a real (at the zenith-point of Her journey through Light and Sound). Soul-literate scientists don't look to the spiritually blind for approval-verification of our contemplative conclusions. How in the world the scinetific materialist supposed know what Samadhi is/means< and what theTRUE nature of the Ineffable is/means. They can't see it this is why they tell me things like: "stop pretending you have knowledge of the inner realms" (direct quote). They think that my description of what I-Soul first time witnessed in May 2010, and described in The River of Light, is sheer lunacy http://www.spiritspeaks-theofilia.blogspot.ca/2010/05/river-of-light.html">www.spiritspeaks-theofilia.blogspot.ca/2010/05/river-of-light.html This is why I am all the more grateful to Gopi Krishna, for saying in Kundalini for the New Age:
All the great mystics who have written on the subject have given their own symptoms openly and plainly. That is the tradition. And from their descriptions, one can compare one's own condition.
What I share is not for personal gain. What I share is not the result of drug-induced hallucinations (from ingesting plant brews and other drugs) - which in some circles are hailed to be the real deal, the real 'expansion of consciousness', thing. I see grasping mind's wishful thinking - they don't, and I'm okay with that, as long as they don't claim theirs is the last word.
The last word belongs to those who know better. Gopi Krishna elaborated (and I agree)
The real meaning of "Soma" refers to the internal processes of sublimation leading to higher consciousness or Samadhi. Since soma is a Sanskrit term its interpretation should be based upon the ancient Vedic religious belief, NOT Western assumption of drug use.
There is no proof in the Vedas that actually mention any human drinking a herbal concoction; it was the Gods Indra and Agni who drank streams of this nectar and then conquered the Dragon or Serpent Vrtra (a symbol of Kundalini).
The hymns of the Vedas are symbolic allegories and shouldn't be interpreted literally, as the Vedas say directly that: "One thinks he has drunk Soma when they press the plant but the Soma the Brahmans know - no one eats that.
I shake my head at (my) lamely written posts, but also can't help but marvel at the intensity of the Evolutionary Impulse compelling me to do this.
Those of us who feel in every fiber of our being this impulse, acknowledge we are guided to become witness to the fact that at the deepest core of our being there is a oneness which drives and guides this universe towards ever-greater emergence. . .for the benefit (transformation) of all beings, for the evolution of consciousness itself in service to the Divine. Some call this force Eros, other's God's Love, etc.
I have a moral obligation to report on things that are not now, never will be acceptable to folks who refuse to acknowledge that (authentic) spiritual sciences is a legitimate profession. I didn't chose to be 'spiritual', the (transcendent) One who is awake within my mortal coil, did.
The following excerpt from Gopi Krishna's book titled, The Man of the Future, explains what types of personality traits define genuine prophet/mystic/saint/accomplished yogi/seer/sage.
We are, therefore, face to face with a mighty problem when we try to find an explanation for the mental condition of religious teachers of the highest order. We have to account for the existence of not one but four outstanding attributes of the front rank mystic minds. They are Ecstasy, Moral Elevation, Psychic Powers and Genius. This remarkable combination is confined to this class and this class alone. Otherwise we find these attributes distributed singly and in too few cases.
The combination of even two out of them in one individual is extremely rare. The man of genius may not have moral elevation, ecstatic vision or psychic gifts, a medium may not have moral stature, vision or genius, and one prone to visionary states may not have the moral armor, psychic powers or the true genius of the true mystic.
In judging the prophet, the mystic and the real saint we have to take the startling fact into consideration that he (she) is in possession of all four rare and lofty attributes, each of which, even when singly present, confer distinction on one possessing it. There is no difference except one of degree between a genuine prophet, mystic, accomplished yogi, seer and sage, and whoever out of them emerged with all these four gems glittering in his crown.
Friday, September 1, 2017
Flatland Assertions Debunked
I will preface this post by saying I would not be writing about 'debunking flatland', if my previous attempts at comment-responding to someone's essay on Frank Visser's website didn't get rejected.(integralworld.net)
David Lane, Ph.D. wrote: Tangled Phone Lines Why Dawkins Hung Up on Ken Wilber.
I was not at all surprised that happened because what I share doesn't make any sense to one, who, like his friend D. Lane is convinced that 'science must direct mysticism, not the other way around'.
To be fair, I need to say this: very often what passes for mysticism is nothing but 'peak experience' parading as enlightenment. Nature mysticism is fun! I had great many peak experiences in nature -- which is the experience of a temporary feeling of oneness with the gross realm which does not involve the causal realms--but it never occurred to me to call it what it is not.
The experience of (literal) union of the Soul with the Essence of the Absolute Supreme and all beings in the visible and invisible domains, it is not.
To be fair, I need to say this: very often what passes for mysticism is nothing but 'peak experience' parading as enlightenment. Nature mysticism is fun! I had great many peak experiences in nature -- which is the experience of a temporary feeling of oneness with the gross realm which does not involve the causal realms--but it never occurred to me to call it what it is not.
The experience of (literal) union of the Soul with the Essence of the Absolute Supreme and all beings in the visible and invisible domains, it is not.
David Lane, Ph.D. wrote: Tangled Phone Lines Why Dawkins Hung Up on Ken Wilber.
I am going to quote some excerpts from it. My intention is to debunk his belief that genuine mystics are delusional, debunk his notion that: "the limits of our skull are the limits of our understanding", snippet from The Mystical Dimension www.integralworld.net/lane12.html
(But) First, I want to include few snippets - in Ken Wilber's words, from: A Brief History Of Everything, p.299-300 - on what we mean by 'flatland'.
(But) First, I want to include few snippets - in Ken Wilber's words, from: A Brief History Of Everything, p.299-300 - on what we mean by 'flatland'.
"the culture gap is not our real problem. The real problem is that we are not allowed to even think about the culture gap. And we are not allowed to think about culture gap because we live in flatland. In flatland, we do not recognize degrees of consciousness and depth and value and worth. Everybody has the same depth, namely, zero.
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"flatland denies the existence of the vertical dimension altogether, denies interior transformation and transcendence altogether, denies the nine or so interior stages of consciousness development that is truly part of culture's human capital, but is not even entered on the ledgers of flatland.
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And the point is, you cannot integrate the Big Three in flatland. In flatland, they remain dissociated at best, collapsed at worst. And no system that we are aware of has ever gone limping into the future with these types of massive internal dissociation's. If these chaotic tensions do not lead to self-transcendence, they will lead to self-dissolution. Those are the two gruesome choices evolution has always offered at each vertical emergent.
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In Lane's words few excerpts from: Tangled Lines Why Dawkins Hung Up on Wilber:
"I don't necessarily think that mystics and skeptics should depart company and go on their respective ways, but I do think that if they seriously communicate with each other something is bound to give. And what each side may have to give up is more than they might be willing to concede! For example, take a mystic in the Sant Mat tradition, such as late Kripal Singh (who Ken Wilber once cited as the "unsurpassed master of subtle realm"), who practiced and ancient yogic technique known as shabd yoga wherein one listens to a divine inner sound which reportedly transports the soul into higher regions of bliss beyond the body and the mind. The theological framework undergirding much of Kripal Singh's practice (which dates back centuries through such practitioners as Tulsi Sahib, Kabir, and Guru Nanak) states emphatically that the inner shabd (or inner sound) is not physical or brain produced but is rather divine melody that transcends all physics and the universe.
But what happens if in studying this phenomenon from a neurological point of view the Sant Mat mystic discovers that such "sacred" music is tinnitus, which may be caused by earwax built up, or nasal allergies, or lower levels serotonin, or any host of physically related ailments. Does this sort information change the numinous encounter or its interpretation?
(* I never suffered from such ailments*)
(* I never suffered from such ailments*)
Are religious movements, predicated on shabd yoga practice, such as Radhasoami, the Divine Light Mission, Eckankar, Quan Yin, MSIA, etc., going to accept such a reductionistic explanation of what erstwhile was regarded as a direct pathway to God-Realization?
I think not. Why? Because the very basis of the practice is centered on the notion that it is a spiritual endeavor and not merely a cranial one.
(*I practiced not at all, never heard of shabd yoga, still it happened to me*)
I think not. Why? Because the very basis of the practice is centered on the notion that it is a spiritual endeavor and not merely a cranial one.
(*I practiced not at all, never heard of shabd yoga, still it happened to me*)
In other words, if a mystic is serious about studying the subject scientifically it means that he or she may have to radically revise their understanding and prior theological dogmas about what is actually happening when they undergo a transformation of consciousness.
The scientific study of mysticism may replace some deeply cherished ideas. Some which maybe so cherished that their very elimination will be too heavy a price for some.
(* You will never acknowledge your ignorance because it would be too heavy a price to pay for your ego*)
I think there is a reason Ken Wilber and Richard Dawkins don't talk. Or, if they do, why Richard Dawkins would have to hang up on Wilber.
(* Dawkins thinks that mystical revelation is "the enemy of truth" - so yeah he would have to hang up on Wilber*)
Ken Wilber *author of many books on human development and consciousness* still wants to believe in mystic "goo". He wants a cosmic feeling good story, even if his flowery description of the same doesn't have even an ounce of scientific credibility. (...)
Wilber wants us to believe in fairy tales, even if dressed up in pseudo-scientific jargon (....)
Dawkins on the other hand wants us to finally grow up and admit what we have secretly thought for a long time. We were wrong about the gods and we were wrong about ourselves. Yes, mysticism can indeed be studied, but I think we might be a little shocked to see how different it looks when we take off its mystic garb."
quoted from: integralworld.net/lane8.html
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Final thought for those who think that Soul-level revelations and our contemplative conclusions is the product of delusional mind:
Because your eternal self Soul's awakened awareness is not yet on line - developmentally speaking *which is not same as 'spiritual intelligence' = the result of text-reading/discussion* - you are not qualified to pass judgments on those of us who know better. . .One's awakened inner Divinity / the eternal Avatar knows better. . . this is why I say:
Divine Revelation is the communication of the Divine from the source of its Nature within the awakened Inner Being/Ascended Soul.
I didn't study and practiced anything. I didn't know about 'Shabd Yoga', still I bear witness to what Kabir said, because it happened to me. I therefore can call myself Shabd Master.
This Yoga names many types of inner Sounds - such as thunder, waterfall, kettle drums, bee, Flute and more - and I second that because I experienced same, including 'Krishna's Flute' Sound.
In www.spiritspeaks-theofilia.blogspot.ca/2009/06/on-rapture-musings.html I share experiences which can't be explained away by saying, 'such a thing can be explained by brain chemistry.'
I had unsolicited Kundalini awakening and She opened my ears and eyes to spiritual dimensions.
Because your eternal self Soul's awakened awareness is not yet on line - developmentally speaking *which is not same as 'spiritual intelligence' = the result of text-reading/discussion* - you are not qualified to pass judgments on those of us who know better. . .One's awakened inner Divinity / the eternal Avatar knows better. . . this is why I say:
Divine Revelation is the communication of the Divine from the source of its Nature within the awakened Inner Being/Ascended Soul.
I didn't study and practiced anything. I didn't know about 'Shabd Yoga', still I bear witness to what Kabir said, because it happened to me. I therefore can call myself Shabd Master.
This Yoga names many types of inner Sounds - such as thunder, waterfall, kettle drums, bee, Flute and more - and I second that because I experienced same, including 'Krishna's Flute' Sound.
In www.spiritspeaks-theofilia.blogspot.ca/2009/06/on-rapture-musings.html I share experiences which can't be explained away by saying, 'such a thing can be explained by brain chemistry.'
I had unsolicited Kundalini awakening and She opened my ears and eyes to spiritual dimensions.
And I have proof . I have a record of talking about mysterious, several notes long 'cosmic chant' in several posts, that lasted about 2 years. I still hear the ever-present extremely subtle/causal vibrations of the undifferentiated Light within and outside my being. This experience served as a necessary step leading towards ever-higher Celestial Absorption (poetically speaking). I might have not mentioned this directly, but careful reading of what I share points to the fact that on this path, Kundalini involves the brain, central nervous system, subtle chakra system and the reproductive system.
If curious, have a look at couple of posts written in 2010 - titled: Evolution Beyond Supramental Stage? & Logos-Cosmic-Manna-Shabd-Crystal Rain
If curious, have a look at couple of posts written in 2010 - titled: Evolution Beyond Supramental Stage? & Logos-Cosmic-Manna-Shabd-Crystal Rain
www.spiritspeaks-theofilia.blogspot.ca/2010/12/logos-cosmic-manna-shabd-crystal-rain.html
* Edit note: I contacted David C. Lane & he wrote back...this is why I wrote sister post couple of days ago titled, Interpretation & Divine Revelation Not Same Thing - link. . .
www.spiritspeaks-theofilia.blogspot.ca/2018/02/interpretation-divine-revelation-not.html
I will end this post by including Eddington's words:
Quantum physics deals with the abstract, symbolic analysis of the physical world-space, time, matter, and energy--even down to the subtlest level, the quantum vacuum. Mysticism deals with the direct apprehension of the transcendent Source of all things. +
We should suspect an intent to reduce God to a system of differential equations. That fiasco at any rate must be avoided. However much the ramification of physics may be extended by further science, they cannot from their very nature (impinge upon) the background in which they have their being.
* Edit note: I contacted David C. Lane & he wrote back...this is why I wrote sister post couple of days ago titled, Interpretation & Divine Revelation Not Same Thing - link. . .
www.spiritspeaks-theofilia.blogspot.ca/2018/02/interpretation-divine-revelation-not.html
I will end this post by including Eddington's words:
Quantum physics deals with the abstract, symbolic analysis of the physical world-space, time, matter, and energy--even down to the subtlest level, the quantum vacuum. Mysticism deals with the direct apprehension of the transcendent Source of all things. +
We should suspect an intent to reduce God to a system of differential equations. That fiasco at any rate must be avoided. However much the ramification of physics may be extended by further science, they cannot from their very nature (impinge upon) the background in which they have their being.
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